Have you ever been sold the idea that “grace” means letting people get away with harmful behavior, or choosing neutrality in the name of peace? I am talking with Kirsten Powers, USA Today columnist and CNN senior political analyst, about just that. Her new book is Saving Grace: Speak Your Truth, Stay Centered, and Learn to Coexist with People Who Drive You Nuts. We chat about how those of us with an Overdeveloped Sense of Justice” stay sane in this post-truth era, how we’ve found ourselves in such a poisonous political discourse in this decade, the overdue reckoning about systemic racism, and how to engage with people who hold opposing views without sacrificing our values or our passionate beliefs in the causes we care about. The perfect book as we approach the holiday season, you can find Saving Grace here.