Jonathan and I go in on a number of topics, from growing up pastors kids, to learning how to opt out of our drive to people-please, to the curious way some Christian leaders are handling the COVID-19 crisis, to our thoughts on LGBT-affirming theology. Jonathan is such a smart, out-of-the-box thinker and someone I always have interesting and in-depth conversations with, and I think you will enjoy it, too. You can find his book Learning to Speak God from Scratch here: https://amzn.to/2BTyPU8. And Rage Against the Minivan here: https://biglink.to/RATM
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